Change of Command and the Sector Walls are COMING DOWN!!!!!!

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Re: Change of Command and the Sector Walls are COMING DOWN!!!!!!

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Initial thoughts;

Had no trouble loading or getting into Tribble.

New interface/ graphical representation of sector space looks good.

A little rubber-banding, but not bad (few folks on Tribble most likely, don't know what it will look like live).

The redistribution of systems is a nice change, still easy to find (maybe easier) those areas you already know, though you'll have to adjust to minor differences in location and relationship to other locations... Usually only by a sector or so in one direction or another.

Individual systems look cool with planets, stations, etc in orbit. Some systems are clearly not done, Sol for example, has some of the larger gas-giants repeated and others missing, while the smaller terrestrial worlds are apparently MIA at the moment. Except Earth of course, it's big and bold and pretty looking. Qo'noS, on the other hand, well, let's just say I hope they are not done with it yet.

Also, strangely, the Sol system appears within the Beta Quadrant instead of the Alpha, which I am not a fan of. It should be on the border, which it is, but it really should be just inside Alpha not Beta. I gather from the Dev blog, that this was a design choice error in favor of the existing Mission layout rather than trying to be accurate. It's a quibble, but there you have it. Likely, there are other fairly minor problems as well.

The only really frustrating item, (from a FASA fan perspective), is the placement of the Nimbus system. The "Planet of Galactic Peace" was supposed to be a backwater planet that hosted offices for the Klingon, Federation, and Romulan consulates. Therefore, the logical location, especially during the "Cold War" would have been within the so called "Triangle", a somewhat lawless section of space where the territorial borders of the three superpowers mentioned above, converged. Instead it's way out on the northwest quarter of the map, an area that the Klingons would likely not have had easy access to in the mid 2260s.

Recall, that Nimbus III was directly connected (in ST: V) to the delicate political situation in the aftermath of the first Klingon-Federation war. It is specifically mentioned as being located within the "Neutral Zone". There are essentially three "Neutral Zones", each sharing a boarder with the opposite two factions... With a triangular no-mans land in the middle. In other words, "The Triangle". It is my assertion that this is where Nimbus "Should" be.

*Rant off*

The Sector Grids look nifty. Though the math is convenient rather than Gregorian in terms of distribution of light days, weeks, and months to the year.

So:
1 LY = 12 LM
1 LM = 4 LW
1 LW = 7 LD

Thus,
1 LY = 336 LD

These changes look and feel more "Functional", however I will miss the distinctive faction-themed Sector Grids, especially considering that no one will spend a lot time counting light days between plot points in the maps... But I suppose one could now.

Space does feel bigger, but as noted by others actual travel time does not seem much greater, just tons smoother. Of course, routine use of QSD will benefit more than ever from reduced cool-downs and improved turn rates.

Some new...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)Deep Space Enemy Contacts (possibly random?) in addition to the old Enemy Contacts. The new ones appear to be like mini patrols and have minor but solid rewards for time and difficulty). Basically instead of just going into an enemy group, you get a little flavor text explaining why the enemy is there and what they are doing, why you are dealing with them, etc... The Flavor text actually adds a bit of welcome fluff.
Although my exploration of the new map was cursory at best, (spent about an hour in there poking around), I have to say that so long as it does not break anything, hard to say what all could get broken, it'll be a welcome change if Cryptic can manage server lag with invisible zone transfers, which I suspect is what they are doing.

They do have some practice with that already with the Battlezones, so hopefully it will be smooth.

Overall, this is a nice quality of life improvement, or at least a less immersion-breaking one.

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I had a chance to use it I agree with you! I will enjoy this update greatly. As I like to fly around and it feels more trek like. :)
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I agree Nimbus should stay where it was. It kind of serves the same purpose as those little blips of land along some disputed borders that neither country actually claims. They can be lawless and dangerous, but they also serve as the most truly neutral ground for meetings between the two, since if mutual satisfaction is impossible at least everybody can agree on mutual dissatisfaction.

A few systems in Gamma Orionis make sense to get huge moves, though:

Cestus was a site of Federation-Gorn and Klingon-Gorn conflicts, and would fit better in the far south.
The Mutara Nebula was supposed to be uncomfortably close to Klingon space, making them nervous about the Federation having a device that could instantly resurface an entire planet.
The Sibrian system has a Federation Starbase in it, but is in the backwaters of Romulan space. I know in the star char book, Federation space extends around and behind both the Klingons and Romulans, but Feds have tons of map space already. A good place for this one might be over in the Alpha Quadrant near Deferi space, to connect it with the Borg content over there and preserve the "everywhere at once" sense of the Borg invasion.
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Sol is where its at on Tribble or a reason. Star Trek Nerdidom be ****ed.

1.) When you start the game out as a Fed. I know some of you have forgotten this since its been so long. But when you start the game out. Youre focused on Sirius and Regulus Sectors...Both of which are in the Beta Quadrant. So it makes sense that Earth be located on the same side as missions youre being assigned from Earth.

2.) There was no way of putting the map on the border without cutting half the solar system in half. And for you to be able to access Earth from both sides theyd have to rotate the solar system 180 degrees so Earth would be in both Quadrants at the same time.

They chose to put it in to the Beta Quadrant for very good reasons. Its not like they just decided. 'Hey lets see how much nerd rage we could cause amongst the Trek Fans.'

Taco has been very present and vocal in the two Revamp Threads on the forums and the blog was very indepth. Its not like these choices were made lightly. They have good reasons for the choices theyve made.
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Allegiance86 wrote:Sol is where its at on Tribble or a reason. Star Trek Nerdidom be ****ed.*snip*
dial down the aggro, or you'll breach your warpcore.

we're not raging about it, we just find it displeasing that is all.
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Hugely excited about the sector wall changes. This is something I hoped for back in beta. Glad to see this finally becoming a reality.
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Sol is in the same place as it always has been. Its nitpicking.
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Me too William this is exciting indeed. I'm very happy about this change
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Maybe even one day in the far off distance the will find a way to make it one huge map! Wishful thinking of course. [emoji1]
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No need for it though as I am in love with the new system could spend all day flying around looking at planets orbiting alien stars
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